ha ha, love this song choice!

*ironically* of course :)))

eeek! didn't realize that went to everyone!

LOL

Welcome everyone! As you settle in feel free to introduce yourselves in the chat. We are delighted you are here with us today.

Hello everyone, my name is Liz Jacob. I’m a PhD candidate in African History at Stanford and graduate coordinator of the Producing Knowledge In and Of Africa workshop.

sorry I can't unmute

go ahead Jacob!

Joel Samoff, Center for African Studies. Welcome back, Jacob.

Chepchirchir Tirop, PhD Student in History. Excited to be here!

Christian Nguetse, Postdoc from the Pediatrics department in the School of Medicine. Happy to be here!

Jasmine Reid, PhD Student in Anthropology. Excited for this talk!

Laura J Martin, Assistant Prof of Environmental Studies at Williams College, Fellow at Stanford Humanities Center this year. Glad to be with you virtually.

Ayanda Mahlaba, PhD student in History. From South Africa. 🇿🇦

J'Nese Williams, Postdoc - Stanford Humanities Center

Mahlatse Mashala, financial economics student at UCT in South Africa

Susan McConnell, Professor in the Department of Biology, Stanford.

Nataya Friedan, PhD Candidate, Stanford Anthropology

Gabrielle Hecht, faculty in History, Anthro, and elsewhere. Very glad to hear about your new work, Jacob!

Alexa Russo, PhD candidate in Anthropology at Stanford

This chat is warming our hearts -welcome! Please begin to put your questions into the Q/A so we can engage them in our discussion today.

Denise Lim, lecturer in Sociology at Yale University. Familiar with Jacob’s past work given my research interests in SA, and excited about this new book!

For us you have not read the book, can you just go through the timeline of Kruger. Were Black Africans excluded from the park during colonialization?

Shantanu Nevrekar, PhD student in Anthropology at Stanford University

never legally/formally - they were not allowed to use restcamps and other facilities but could stay if they "made their own way"

G.M. M"Imwonyo Mbui here; PhD student(Theology & Ethics) at Graduate Theological Union, Berkeley.

Making interesting connections with the Kenyan situation, particularly on the "exclusion" component, whereby natives are relegated to the periphery as far as proximity to our wealth of national parks and reserves go.

Cullen Goldblatt, Humanities faculty at Portland State University, Visiting Scholar at Columbia University, Literature scholar doing historiography. US/South African. Currently teaching Native Nostalgia and very glad to be here.

In close connection, the commodification of local entertainers(principally Maasai warriors) to satiate exotic interests. I wonder how this scenario plays out SA

^^ Yes!

I think Prof Dlamini is referring to RRR Dhlomo, not HIE Dhlomo.

The gramophone comment made me think of the latest sound installation in the Namib Desert

Thank you so much for your response!

I like Ayanda's question but not sure if you feeli t's abit off topic (not dealing with conservation specifically)

We love your question but there are so many in the queue we are trying to keep them focused on conservation issues in particular. but I agree, his definition of "blackness" is very interesting and worth probing!

To build upon M’Imwonyo Mbui’s question. Could you elaborate on the commodification of culture within the context of the preserve? I am particularly interested in the commodification of culture in the township I.e., township tourism.

Some projects are just better pursued in a slow burn kind of way… :-)

Thank you for saying that Prof Dlamini

Yes indeed!

No worries at all! 😊

A constant lament?!? Now that sounds intriguing; very interesting too!

Especially one that began in the 1860s!

Thanks for a wonderful event!

I want to say that this chat has been wonderful to witness! So many thoughts and engaging reflections.

thank you Jacob and Venolia - fantastic discussion!

Asante sana/Thanks all!

Thank you!

Thank you! This was a great afternoon discussion.

Really insightful indeed. Thank you all! 🙏🏿