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Wikidata Affinity Group - Shared screen with speaker view
hilary thorsen
22:16
Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z1SSAp4c4tftOGW3BbJ6Fxfd8oRIhfzveh0zjebDhkk/edit?usp=sharing
hilary thorsen
23:17
Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z1SSAp4c4tftOGW3BbJ6Fxfd8oRIhfzveh0zjebDhkk/edit?usp=sharing
hilary thorsen
24:34
Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z1SSAp4c4tftOGW3BbJ6Fxfd8oRIhfzveh0zjebDhkk/edit?usp=sharing
Karen S-Y
38:26
Recently checked and the LC/NACO authority file currently has 11 million records
hilary thorsen
38:36
Thanks Karen!
hilary thorsen
38:53
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1NpkAQdGGft1Wi2vX0zgMtIxwXWjPq96NtXx4MmyXFFI/edit#slide=id.p
Karen S-Y
39:13
And WorldCat Identitites currentlyhas 62 million entities
Jens Ohlig
49:25
I could talk about the Wikidata community
Paul Burley
51:08
Me too Jens. I'm glad you brought up community culture in the presentation. How do you plan on working with the cultural differences between the PCC and Wikidata communities? The PCC is composed of Global North, resource-rich institutions, and it's dominated by some "big actors". The Wikidata community is diverse in terms of geographic representation, language communities, institution types, and a decentralized "membership". Are PCC members really ready for working in the Wikidata environment?
Neil M Frau-Cortes (he/him)
52:21
It should be noted that some of us are both active in Wikidata and also PCC participants.
Larisa Walsh
52:47
It's a great point, Paul. Also - will PCC community have its own set of standards?
Larisa Walsh
54:14
Quality wise, selection of data elements, etc.
Bob Kosovsky
54:55
One big difference between the cataloging culture and Wikidata culture: Cataloging tends to do it as best as possible the first time; Wikidata participants depend on each other to correct/emend. (Making it as correct as possible the first time is not uppermost among Wikidata editors
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
55:17
I am both a PCC member and started to contribute to Wikidata as well. I benefit from both communities for creating the linked data that can be used by the world’s users.
Eric Willey
55:33
Thank you for this presentation! My anecdotal experience is that Wikidata/Pedia tends to be stronger on more popular and modern authors and their works. Libraries might be able to contribute through items from their special collections/local/rare materials items and authors, which might have more support from admin as increased discoverability. Just a thought.
Bob Kosovsky
55:50
Also: once PCC decides that the project is a success, will there be a report, and what will happen next?
Elizabeth Russey Roke
56:16
Have issues of scalability come up? I remember hearing that Wikimedia did not want OCLC to load all their identities into Wikidata.
Karen Coyle
56:29
Has anyone analyzed the differences between library "rules" relating to name forms vs Wikidata? Will this be a bone of contention between the two groups? Can this become a discussion between the groups?
Jim Hahn
57:23
One useful model I see for leveraging networks of expertise is to organize internal organization teams with expertise in Wikidata who can help support quality control and feedback. I was impressed with the DCN process for leveraging professional networks in data curation: https://datacurationnetwork.org/resources/workflows/
Bob Kosovsky
58:05
Great answer Michelle!
Alexandra Alisa Provo
58:08
I saw WikiProjects mentioned on the training sources slide; I’m still learning about them/getting involved, but I think that might be a good way to work together in the pilot.
Edward Hugh Summers
58:25
I apologize if this has already been covered: will the PCC collaboration be considering the possibility of running its own Wikibase installation that can interact with others like the one at wikidata.org?
J Shieh
58:58
I think it’d be a greater challenge for cataloging metadata professionals to accept <statements> that might not be 100% accurate.
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
59:09
Updating data in Wikidata is quicker; your data got published instantly. Wikidata also accommodate UTF-8 scripts - non-Roman scripts like Thai that is not yet available in LCNAF.
May Chan
59:33
University of Toronto Libraries has scaffolded engagement approach to share that might dovetail to the PCC pilot. I am happy to share about this to see if there are overlaps, which will inform our approach
Karen Coyle
01:00:45
Also: what use will be made of the identities in wikidata?
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:01:00
Here is my example per the scripts: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q62393357
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:01:11
Apologies if you already mentioned this — has there been any coordination with the IFLA wikidata working group? https://www.ifla.org/node/92837
Sarah Hovde (she/hers)
01:02:27
also re: PCC/cataloging culture and Wikidata culture, many catalogers are accustomed to working in shared cataloging environments, where we can expand on/improve existing records as more information becomes available or as an institution prioritizes - there may be more commonalities of practice than we expect
Chiat Naun Chew
01:02:50
Hi May, I’d be interested to hear more about the “scaffolded engagement” that you mention.
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:06:33
We need to get our library platform vendors at the table. Our work can go unused by the platform and our effort may not be seen to have the ROI - impact on our local users.
Karen Coyle
01:07:40
Great answer, Paul!
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:07:44
+1
Melanie Wacker
01:07:52
+1 to Paul
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:08:08
+1 to Paul too
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:08:23
The would certainly help with reconciliation
Sarah Ann Adams
01:10:02
+ 1 John re: utilizing VIAF clusters!
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:10:21
It might also suggest adding direct order names, for the purpose of reconciliation, to our own data, or to build inversion into the recon service
John Mark Ockerbloom
01:10:33
I do wonder a bit about maintaining consistency importing inverted-name forms directly. Someone actually created a property that imports (inverted library-style) author names from my Online Books catalog w/o asking me, and I worry about those falling out of date.
Bob Kosovsky
01:10:34
Names are actually easy to do in both NACO and Wikidata. Is there any plan to deal with subjects as part of the pilot?
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:11:36
…it might also suggest that entering data for the “given name” and “family name” properties might be a good practice to support inversion
Bob Kosovsky
01:11:37
Great project - Brava May!
Paul Burley
01:12:04
+1 Christine
Chiat Naun Chew
01:14:21
In response to Joy about library platform vendors — engagement with them is certainly important. But I suspect part of the attraction of wikidata/wikibase is also to reduce our dependence on existing systems that can take literally decades to change.
Bree M
01:14:44
+1
Alex Jung
01:14:56
On my end, this looks like a lot of customised training delivery to different library/archives functions
Meg Wacha
01:15:09
+1 this is an opportunity to move library infrastructure back to the control of libraries
Neil M Frau-Cortes (he/him)
01:15:27
I would like to see pcc bibliographic records to become linkeable entities that we could use in order to make references in Wikidata entities. It would be so helpful to be able to quickly cite all those nice resources in print
May Chan
01:15:34
I’m kinda tired of reading about linked data :)
P Dragon
01:15:38
What I took from Joy's comment is the important point that we need to be able to demonstrate the impact this work can have on our public before we are able to invest a lot of time into it.
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:16:30
My problem is how to convince my superior to support our engagement now if I can’t prove the ROI now. We have a small team and justification of additional work and learning is my challenge now.
Bob Kosovsky
01:17:19
great question, Meg!
Sarah Ann Adams
01:17:28
+1 Meg
ppriebe
01:17:36
Any ideas regarding staff training while we're in a telecommuting environment?
Jens Ohlig
01:17:46
Good question
Christa Strickler
01:17:47
+1 Joy. Hard to convince colleagues and administration who don't understand metadata/linked data work.
Alexandra Alisa Provo
01:18:14
Just want to plug for another affinity group hosted in the LD4 slack: ethics in linked data
Karen S-Y
01:19:02
From both Project Passage and the recent OCLC Research Library Partners Archives and Special Collections Linked Data Review Group the PROVENANCE of statements in Wikidata becomes even more critical
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:19:35
+1 Alex Provo — I was going to suggest consulting with the Ethics affinity group for sure
Alexandra Alisa Provo
01:20:02
Also, folks are welcome to join the ethics group calls!
Alex Jung
01:20:23
@Joy and Christa: Re: value demonstration--This is an issue we also come back to in Wikimedian-in-Residence conversations, and from the survey Hilary and I put together recently, it was a strong "want" across a number of responses.
Meg Wacha (they/them)
01:20:26
Thanks so much for that input! I think one of my concerns re: Wikidata is that very few know it exists and even fewer know how to request that the information is removed (if we provide a way to do so outside of the ticketing system)
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:20:28
https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/LD4P2/Ethics+in+Linked+Data+Affinity+Group
Alexandra Alisa Provo
01:20:45
That’s a great point, Megs
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:21:04
I do work in Wikidata on my own time and contributed quite a few items.
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:21:16
It’s also a problem that very few people know how to go about asking LC to remove or change data.
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:21:30
(+1 to everything Meg said)
Chiat Naun Chew
01:22:02
Maybe also worth mentioning another aspect of the discussions about person identities, which is the workflows (where, when, whom by) by which those descriptions are created. It’s generally accepted that traditional library authority procedures don’t scale, even for library catalogues.
Paul Burley
01:22:31
+1 Chiat.
Paul Frank
01:23:05
Thank you Hilary!
Daniel Lovins
01:23:13
Might be worth sharing the chat history with attendees
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:23:14
+1 Naun
Jianying
01:23:16
Thank you.
Bob Kosovsky
01:23:33
Thank you PCC people
Maria
01:23:41
Thank you
Patrick Lavey
01:23:45
Thanks. Very interesting!
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:23:45
+1 Naun
Anna Slawek
01:23:46
thank you everyone
Susan Deborah Radovsky
01:23:46
I, too, would love to preserve this chat!
Alexandra Alisa Provo
01:23:52
Thanks, all!
Melanie Wacker
01:23:55
Thank you!
Christine Fernsebner Eslao
01:23:55
Thanks! This was really helpful.
Lena Denis
01:24:03
Thanks for this!
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts
01:24:06
Thank you All!
Paul Burley
01:24:07
This is just wonderful, thank you so much!
Barbara Tysinger
01:24:07
Thank you
Meg Wacha (they/them)
01:24:08
Thanks everyone!
Daniel Lovins
01:24:21
Thanks PCC and Hilary. This initiative looks quite promising.
May Chan
01:24:24
This presentation has been very valuable and helped to confirm some of my directional instincts. Thank you!
Anna-Sophia Zingarelli-Sweet
01:24:26
Thanks all!
Paloma Graciani Picardo
01:24:31
This was great! Keeping the chat transcript would be great
Bob Kosovsky
01:24:39
Thank you so much Hilary! This was a great session!!
Beth Camden
01:24:47
excited about this pilot!!
Sarah Ann Adams
01:25:21
(Thanks Hilary + John + Michelle!)
Adeniyi Sowole
01:25:36
Thank you very much. This is very interesting.
ngozi osadebe
01:25:47
Thank you.
Thomas Dousa
01:25:51
Thank you!
Jens Ohlig
01:25:51
Thank you!
Rob Fernandez
01:25:53
thank you!
Will Kent
01:25:55
Thank you!
Marc McGee
01:25:57
Great discussion. thanks
MAR
01:26:00
thank you - bye
Susan Deborah Radovsky
01:26:00
Thanks to all — excellent discussion!
Emily Baldoni
01:26:05
Thank you to all
John Mark Ockerbloom
01:26:07
Thanks!
Alex Jung
01:26:12
PCC - Thank you very much for your presentation! @Hilary, perhaps we could build out a Slack channel (or something else that works well) around PCC convo?